Do You Wish LFR Players Were More Accountable?

by on December 14, 2012

Before the WoW Dungeon Finder, personal server reputation was everything. If you were known as a good tank, healer or DPS, you’d be showered with dungeon invites. If you weren’t, it could be a cold, empty server.

Now, anyone can get into a dungeon or raid group. But on the other hand, your dungeon or raid group could have anyone in it.

Which is better?

Lono and The Grumpy Elf have been going point-counterpoint on that very topic this week. First up, the Elf Himself wrote about just how much he misses accountability in WoW -

“If you needed a healer you would ask a friend and your fried would say, let me see who is on my friends list. Do you remember those days? I do and fondly actually, when we were missing a healer for the raid and everyone was looking through our friends lists and switching characters to see if we had one on another friends list.

We played with people because we wanted to play with them. We played with people that were good or at least good enough. We played we people we liked. It took a lot longer to make groups and sometimes we still couldn’t but we always played with the people that were worth playing with, that deserved to be doing the content, they are the same type of players we are.

Now with the looking for system there is no accountable, there is no consideration about who we want to play with, there is no filter to keep all those people out of there that should not even be there in the fist place. People seem to have this idea that if the system lets me sign up for the content that means I can do it and that is about as far from the truth as you could ever be. Many people do not deserve to be there. ”

I also remember those days – as does Lono from Screaming Monkeys. But he argues that the new LFR-filled world is actually fairer, nicer and overall better for everyone -

“We’ll never go back to the old community and accountability and I’m happy for it. Too many players got blacklisted back then only because they didn’t fit some standard often set by players whose only merit was to have started before them. Think back for a moment how new servers got flooded with people needing to make a fresh start along and level along with everyone else.

We can build a new community though and for that we only need to stop resenting people who are not at the same level of play as we are.”

The interesting thing here is that both arguments focus on quality of play. The issue that many players (myself and Rebecca included) feel is a bigger problem with the anonymous, inclusive nature of LFR/LFD is that of social graces, friendliness and lack of griefing. Does the inclusiveness of LFR/LFD still trump the social effects of an anonymous, consequence-free LF* tool?

What do you think?

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Reddox December 14, 2012 at 10:28 pm

No. We should hold Blizzard accountable for endorsing and promoting griefing, and refusing to uphold their TOS, etc.


Walt Mackey December 15, 2012 at 12:40 am

good points made here on the current state of LFR players.


Qithe December 15, 2012 at 1:08 am

Funny this article came up the day after I had the discussion with someone. The problem with LFD/LFR is you can join groups non-stop and act like a jerk in every single one of them, and have no worries about not being able to find someone to group with you as a result. You can be a loot hog, afk the whole time, make next to zero effort, roll need on every drop and then get another group right after. The only thing you have to worry about is being so far over the line you get kicked from the group. And even then, big deal, just queue back up.

On the other hand, what’s worse.. dealing with jerks in various groups, or not being able to get groups at all? The LFD/LFR system is good in theory, but needs tweaked somehow to take into account the thought that some people should simply be blacklisted for a reason.

I do recommend the addon “HaveWeMet” which allows you, on a local level at least, to rate players you’ve grouped with and add personalized notes. It’s something at least, but shouldn’t suffice for a real solution from Blizzard.


Slam December 15, 2012 at 6:27 pm

I agree with both. Only thing missing is this: Its a GAME. Everysingle person at one point within the WoW didn’t know how to, or simply couldn’t play their class to its fullest potential. Now there are guide start guides, indepth guides to every single class and it’s role within the WoW. Not everyone knows that. Jerks exist. Noobs exist. Most importantly Nice people exist. Patient people exist. Which category you fall under is your choice, but always keep in mind that person who isn’t “contributing as much” as the other could be on an alt they don’t obsess over as much as their “main”. Each person has their own learning curve.

Some kindness and patience can go a long way… Now if the person is rude, offensive or afk’ing all the time simply vote them out, replace and carry on. That feature doesn’t seem to be getting the attention it deserves. I have been guilty of pretty much everysingle issue here at some point. Whether it was me eating while playing, texting while playing, alt tabbed while playing…

A rating should be implemented like that addon mentioned above, but the fine tweaking of that could be more work then Blizz cares to do..Remember WoW2 is in the works and judging by MoP, Blizz’s attention is being spent elsewhere more so then it’s current baby…



Bernard December 17, 2012 at 7:01 am

“Remember WoW2 is in the works and judging by MoP, Blizz’s attention is being spent elsewhere more so then it’s current baby…”

Most reports have MoP as the best expansion in years. A lot of noise was made about the volume of dailies but the content itself has been highly regarded. Tier 14 is far better than anything we saw in Cataclysm IMO…


C December 19, 2012 at 2:51 am

You can still create your own raids and not use the LFR tool, right?


Balkoth December 19, 2012 at 4:11 am

“Tier 14 is far better than anything we saw in Cataclysm IMO…”

Blackwing Descent and Heroic Ragnaros say “Hi.”

“You can still create your own raids and not use the LFR tool, right?”

Yes, but it’ll still use the LFR loot system.


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