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  1. Christian
    August 29, 2012

    I happen to disagree with some of the things on this guide (go figure someone disagrees) Mostly i disagree with ur talent picks. I find that the echo of the elements give me better hps. not only does it give u a second heal but it saves precious mana. I actually find myself running OOM a TON less with the echo’s spell. and i have yet to get out healed in game.

    I also prefer the conductivity spell over the healing tide totem. As a hardcore rshaman as myself, shamans spam the crap out of their healing rain ability. most shamans sue riptide then healingrain in a combo pack mass healing bundle, sure healing rain may seem expensive but honestly i don’t have mana issues with only 2k spirit. Not only does healing rain with conductivity give me a boost on my major healing spells (which if done right can save mana) it also pops a hot on all the target in the area. i even use healing rain for single targets.

    I also see no point in getting Glyph of Cleansing Waters. When are u going to be healing enough for that to do anything special. instead i rather have Glyph of water shield. Not only do u get a lot of mana from ur water shield but with Mop coming, healers WILL get hit by enemies in raids and dungeons. this give u a ton more mana, and that extra mana can be a life saver.

    Please consider these changes to ur guide, and let me know if u disagree with my differences to ur guide and why u disagree.

    • Pelle
      October 22, 2012

      Do you spam healing surge? that’s the only way i oom. if you do, maybe try some other techniques?

      I find that Echoes is too random to rely on, personally.

    • Matt
      January 9, 2013

      i do not agree with anything you say, healing rain as single target healing, please dont make me laugh, echo of elements not viable with the 6% chance it hits and u loose out on the 5% haste when u make the other choice.

      And im curious how you go OOM, i have yet to go out of mana even with a horrible group, you do know that you dont span healing surge right? and with basic healing waves a glyphed riptide and thye ocational chain heal/healing rain i dont think you should ever drop below 50%, i think you should actually read this guide again and maybe try it out, and you will see it is far supirior then your current selections.

  2. Dedralie
    September 1, 2012

    First of all, just wanted to say, as the author of Healiocentric, I am honoured to be placed in a short list alongside Vixsin and Elitist Jerks! Thanks, Mr. Hugh Hancock :)

    I also thought I’d address Christian’s comments.

    The lovely thing about the new Talent system is that there are not meant to be “right” or “wrong” choices. For example, Echo is “right” for you, but for me, it is “wrong”. Personally, it is “wrong” for me because I don’t like random proc effects for healing, and I don’t like the fact that if I chose a heal that would adequately cover my target’s health deficit, and Echo procs, the Echo bit would be mostly overhealing.

    I do think Echo is worth considering if Chain Heal is the primary source of your healing for an encounter, because its proc rate is higher (approx 22% if it jumps to 4 targets), Chain Heal is generally a small heal anyway so doubling it has a low overhealing risk, and the Echo is also a smart heal and can jump to new targets, making it far less likely to be overhealing.

    I do think that the tier with Healing Tide Totem, Ancestral Guidance, and Conductivity has completely failed at the Talent tree’s new design philosophy. Healing Tide Totem simply delivers more healing than Conductivity possibly can. I did the calculations looking at the healing (and Lightning Bolt damage!) that I dealt on a Heroic Spine of Deathwing encounter, where everyone in my raid was standing in my Healing Rain 100% of the time, and where the encounter design encourages single-target heal spam, and compared it to what a scaled-to-my-stats-at-the-time Healing Tide Totem would have done, and I found that 3 uses of Healing Tide Totem would have provided almost twice as much healing as the Conductivity talent.

    Finally, about Glyph of Water Shield, it is mana-negative if you are struck by a Water Shield-proccing attack less frequently than once every 22 seconds. Unfortunately I could not always track this during Beta raid testing for the new MoP encounters, so I don’t know how often this will be valuable in MoP. Keep in mind though that, like our Talents, our Glyphs are also situational, and it is well worth keeping a stack or two of reagents around so you can tailor your build to each encounter. You may find an encounter where there is a frequent need to cast Dispel on a damaged target (e.g. Protectors of the Endless) and this Glyph could be more useful than, say, the Glyph of Water Shield for that fight.

    I don’t agree with everything in this guide either, but because of the way the new Talent and Glyph system works, that’s okay! Not everyone will have to take the exact same Talents in order to be competitive anymore. Again, some Talent tiers have failed to achieve this design goal, but in general, we should be embracing our varied opinions :)

    • Chrisitan
      September 3, 2012

      Thanks for the input, i find ur counterargument very helpful. i’ve been trying to discuss the new talent and glyph system with much other resto shamans and have gotten no good counter’s to my proposal. I see what ur saying about healing stream totem and agree that it is better at healing, but still find it a little less useful than the conductivity talent (FOR ME) since the healing stream is a situational spell for when at least 5 people are below ~30% for 4-12 seconds. No doubt u will get better heals with the healing stream totem though.

      As u said before it comes to preference, so it will be good to see what is the most preferred down the line with highly respected rshamans. It seems most are going for the healing stream as of now.

  3. Derek
    October 30, 2012

    I have definitely not spend near as much time and effort as everyone else but healing time totem has saved my ass a few times and its nice to keep in your back pocket for emergencies

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