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  1. Samuel
    August 30, 2012

    Your actually better using bold Gems not Flashing as Strength conversion pre Mists is high than rating coversion

    • Hugh Hancock
      August 31, 2012

      Interesting – what’s the math on that?

      • Samuel
        August 31, 2012

        1% parry requires 244 strength
        1% parry also requires 265 parry rating

      • Samuel
        August 31, 2012

        This will change at level 90 but at current times strength is better

      • Samuel
        August 31, 2012

        I’m actually tanking with Heroic Bone-link Fetish and Fire of the Deep with Great success thinking of Changing the fire of the deep for Heroic Soulshifter Vortex to see results with more stamina plus mastery proc are really nice now with the new SotR

      • Hugh Hancock
        September 3, 2012

        That’s a very good point – thanks. I’m editing the guide to include that now.

      • Nasteria
        October 18, 2012

        Is that information true of DK’s as well? I was wondering why this website recommended strength on my pally and not on my DK. Is it a class thing?

      • Hugh Hancock
        October 18, 2012

        It’s a class thing. Because of their different mechanics, they have similar but not identical stat preferences.

  2. Loiteta
    September 2, 2012

    Gotta question… My parry is like DOUBLE my dodge…. How would you level them out? I reforged everything off of parry to dodge or mastery and its still 26%Parry and 13% dodge… so I occasionally get hit like a truck because they are so far apart. Please help. Thanks.

    • Samuel
      September 2, 2012

      I personally believe this is what blizzard want to make tanking a more active role the way i counter these high bursts is using Word Of Glory (with 5 stacks of bastion i’m getting nearly 200k non-crit heals) and you will have to have higher parry anyway as its diminishing returns is a lot lower than that of dodge.

      • Hugh Hancock
        September 3, 2012

        Great answer, thanks.

        I wouldn’t worry too much about the disparity between Parry and Dodge if Dodge is lower – the reason for balancing the two is to avoid diminishing returns, which is less of a problem for Parry than Dodge right now.

      • Dan
        May 31, 2013

        I’m confused on the parry\dodge discussion here. My paladin tank is an alt, but I’ve been using him more and more these days. Last I checked we were meant to have double parry over dodge. This new talk (new to me) about having them now equal is confusing. My tank is ilvl 504 now so I just made the switch from mastery > haste, to haste > mastery (or changed to control). I’ve been trying to find out mainly if I should always be reforging from dodge and parry to haste, or if I should leave a set value. This talk about having them preferably equal has now thrown another wrench that logic. Help in clarifying would be appreciated. Thanks for your guides and links. I’ve always used them and always respected that your always about good information over the more typical “My way is best!” :)

      • Hugh Hancock
        June 12, 2013


        To be honest, the New Paradigm of tanking tends to say “don’t worry too much about parry and dodge, they’re not very important any more”.

        Having said that, I don’t believe the actual Parry/Dodge math has changed – it’s just that Haste is so much better that the optimal strategy is just to reforge everything that you can. However, if you have the choice between reforging Dodge and Parry, I’d keep the old 2:1 ratio in mind.

        Interested to hear any other comments on this, too!

  3. Samuel
    September 11, 2012

    Always using your posts and things felt like i should finally give something back :)

  4. Jose
    October 4, 2012

    Any information on what seals to use on both single and AOE tanking?

    • Slampig
      October 14, 2012

      Use Seal of Truth for single-target tanking and Seal of Righteousness for multi-target tanking.

      ***as stated above***

  5. Ombiatmat
    November 7, 2012

    I’m kinda new to tanking, so pardon in advance if this is a stupid question.
    But why would you choose Colossus over Windsong for your weapon enchant? Are there differences that sets them miles apart?

    • Hugh Hancock
      November 7, 2012

      That’s not a stupid question at all – in fact, I’m going to alter the guide because of it.

      The answer is that in the early days of MoP, Colossus was slightly superior – however, Windsong’s proc mechanic has been changed, and it’s now superior.

      If you can get it, Dancing Steel is superior to either, as is River’s Song, but both are expensive.

  6. Stenzalius
    November 16, 2012

    As an avid paladin tank, I have recently been chatting to, and getting advice from the #1 pala tank on my server.

    He has enlightened me that because of Sanctity of Battle, you mitigate more damage by stacking haste as opposed to mastery.

    Why? Because the Shield of the Righteous uptime is alot higher, and the damage is less spikey, AND less damage. I recently change from stacking mastery to stacking haste. I don’t know the exact numbers but I’m mitigating around 5-10% more damage now. Stat Priority is as follow:

    Hit (to 7.5%) > Expertise (to 15%) > Haste > Mastery > Dodge = Parry.

    Because of this I would recommend the following gems:
    Red: Expertise (Precise)
    Yellow: Haste (Quick)
    Blue: Haste/Hit (Lightning)

    Also 2 enchants I disagree with. We’re not exactly lacking stamina at the moment so I could personally take the +180 Hit enchant for Cloak, as opposed to the +200 Stamina. Also the Bracers enchant could be Mastery instead of Dodge.

    Also, for the most part we should be using Seal of Insight. Since the nerf to SoT and SoR, Insight has been the way to go. The self-heal scales with Vengeance, so we’re not shy of 20k-30k heals. There can be differences if more dps is needed, or aoe threat etc, but Insight is the way to go for now.

    Hope this info helps!

    • Samuel
      December 5, 2012

      Althought I agree with you on the SoI although Battle healer is almost a must have due to threat issues, although I disagree with Stamina Alot of damage from these raids is either unmitigated due to mechanics or Magical therefore I think your underestimating the value of stamina. Take Blade lord Tay’yak for example his Unseen strike although this mitigatiable( not sure if thats a word) its a a waste to use a CD to reduce damage as you need CDs for overwhelming assaults as SHoR is not always that easy to time with Wind Step messing up timers with more stamina you are putting less pressure on healers to spam heal you so you survive the Overwhelming assaults. you still try to have SHoR up. But you may miss time due to unfortunate Wind Step. your still likely to survive the Overwhelming assault if healers have not topped you off fully and on a side note this boss meele swings hit like a truck so you may not be full health for the Assault anyway.

      Alieana silvermoon Eu

  7. Nina
    May 22, 2013

    I Sacred Shield before the pull – after the pull those first few globals are too precious to waste. I do a countdown, sacred shield when I say ‘2’, pre-pot when I say ‘1’, then Avenger’s Shield to pull with a nice snap threat. I’ve got an aura that tells me five seconds before it’s going to fall off so that I can reapply.

    And those last few comments probably need some pruning.

  8. paendamonius
    May 23, 2013

    As a couple other posters several months pointed out, the seal of choice for prot paladins should be Seal of Insight. The damage increase from using either Truth or Righteousness is minimal, and the self healing (which stacks with vengeance) is considerable and if you glyph Battle Healer the raid healing is great for both healing and threat purposes. Check out Theck’s latest post for why SoI is so good.

    • Hugh Hancock
      May 23, 2013

      Very true, correcting. Thanks!

  9. Blair Petterd
    July 31, 2013

    Hi there,

    I’m not new to paly tanking but have come back to it, I was just wondering if someone could have a look at my armoury and let me know where I should go with it. I am looking at stacking haste ATM but don’t know if that’s the way to go after reading thecks posts.
    Thanks, Sin

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