26 responses

  1. Tyraèl
    September 6, 2012

    M8 i got only one question. your going Rune of the Fallen Crusader on both weapons?

    • Hugh Hancock
      September 6, 2012

      Nope, Razorice on MH / Fallen Crusader on OH.

      Sorry that wasn’t clear – I’ve updated the guide to better explain that.

      Thanks for the comment!

  2. Rodrigo Fogagnolo
    September 11, 2012

    Sorry, but I disagree about talent Runic Empowerment! I think Runic Corruption is much better, because it’s a cumulative skill, so you can get like 10 seconds of really fast rune regeneration

    • Hugh Hancock
      September 12, 2012

      In that case, you should take Runic Corruption and see how it works out for you.

      Runic Empowerment currently sims out as the strongest choice, but the choice in Tier 5, to the best of my knowledge, is mostly governed by how you feel about RNG.

      If you’re very comfortable with RNG and don’t want to have to worry about the Tier 5 ability, Runic Corruption is a strong choice. Likewise, if you want 100% reliability, Blood Tap is a good choice.

  3. Nigel
    September 17, 2012

    Wouldnt u want crit on your weapons and gear? if your DPS i have plenty of Crit on my frost and i hit top of DPS most times..

    just a question wondering?

    • Hugh Hancock
      September 17, 2012

      There’s no secondary stat that will reduce your DPS – Crit is still a lot better than nothing! However, reforging to Haste has been shown to give the best DPS increase of all the reforging options.

  4. geriatric
    October 5, 2012

    ive played frost for a couple of years now and this guide is just fine, the only change i think that impacted frost is which pres to be in while dpsing. i have found frost pres to be far superior to unholy pres in the fact that it reduces the cost of your frost strikes tremendously, 15 rp is quite a bit since frost strike is 35 rp. this allows you to use 5 frost strikes if your rp capped instead of 2 if your in unholy pres. with the removal of talents like runic power mastery, and chill of the grave, along with the prime glyphs removal,has left many with no choice to do this (if you want to deal damage.) 2H burst is insane if you talent and use your abilities right, ive hit around 70k dps in just 463ilvl gear, but ive always been and will always be a DW kind of guy. RNG is always a big factor for DK’s and if youve played one long enough you know what i mean when i say “sitting on runes.”

  5. Jackson
    October 12, 2012

    I have been playing a DK for several years now especially as frost, but lately gear optimizing sites such as askmrrobot.com and maxdps.com keep telling me to re-gem my gear from strength to expertise and this goes counter to all logic on the subject up until this expansion. Do you ave any ideas as to why they would recommend that or are you as baffled as I am?

    • Hugh Hancock
      October 18, 2012

      Nope, baffled as to why anyone would recommend that.

      Expertise is important, but nowhere near as crucial as Strength.

  6. Mangkone
    October 17, 2012

    I have read that crit is better for dw and mastery is better for 2hd. Can you give me an explantion?

    • Killsquad
      October 18, 2012

      i think haste even for DW, but that’s my preference. i want my Runic regen to be massive, but that doesn’t mean you always have to reforge crit-haste

    • Hugh Hancock
      October 18, 2012

      Hmm – no, those aren’t the accurate stat weights, at least to my understanding.

      Actually, it’s the other way around. Mastery is significantly better than Crit for DW, whilst Crit is slightly better than Mastery for 2-H – but there’s much less in it for 2-H than for DW.

  7. Killsquad
    October 18, 2012

    I have found that as 2h to not always use your killing machine buff with obliterate… lets say you have full RP and it procs.. with atleast 3-4 seconds before you could have an unholy and frost rune active… then go ahead and use FS. I could understand the argument that w/ DW you get many more procs and wasting one on a FS would limit your DPS, but in actuality it gives you a go to for even an aditional Rime activation… or Just using something other than HOW for the time in between. maybe i am losing 2k deeps… but i have been DW all through CATA(obviously) and found that i am more successful as 2h using this method… It’s very situational, though… like all Frost DPS.

  8. mangkone
    October 18, 2012

    I am DW frost DK. I’ve reforged both ways and the damage was close, but mastery seems to be a little better. I was also acquiring new gear so hard to tell for sure.
    I worded my question incorrectly, I read that for DW stat priority are of course hit, and exp cap 7.5, strength, haste>mastery>crit and 2hd sat priority are hit and exp cap 7.5, Strength, haste> crit>mastery. On this site crit and mastery are reversed for DW and 2hd. Also isn’t haste still best secondary stat for 2hd as well? I looked up a frost DW DK in a top guild and he is has even reforged some haste to mastery. I it is because he better geared, but he still has haste>mastery>crit. Do you still get the frost damage buff from mastery? Thanks for reply Killsquad.

    • Hugh Hancock
      October 18, 2012

      Aha – I think I may not have written the reforging guide very clearly!

      I suggest you reforge FROM crit first if you’re DW – because Crit is by far your weakest stat, as you say.

      For 2H, you should reforge from mastery first.

      Thanks for pointing this out – I’m going to clarify a bit in the reforging section.

  9. Mangkone
    October 19, 2012

    Thank you for the quick respond Hugh, and keep up the great work you guy are one of my favorite sites.

    • Hugh Hancock
      October 19, 2012

      Thanks very much!

  10. Dèathlord
    January 29, 2013

    I have tried both DW and 2-handed, and find that for PVP DW is better, but for straight up DPS in raids 2-handed is much better. I also find that reforging crit to Mastery serves me better. I am a level 85 DK, and currently have an iLvl of 438, and find that very few out dps me :) Feel free to look me up on the armory, and provide feedback on any items that I may be missing to increase damage. Thanks!

  11. Frentauk-TB
    February 25, 2013

    Still a great go to guide for a quick overview. I have mainly run Unholy as my main spec but this expansion I am really digging frost. The comment about gemming other stats over strength is what brought me here. I have been confused by that as well. I know this is an older post but I wanted to say thanks for your work here. This site is definitely going in my favorites!

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  13. Xbones
    July 16, 2013

    Your website is very helpful. The info is presenting in a non-overwhelming way. Rotation seems to be a big part of WOW. I pick up the aspect of specing, gearing, and other set up well, but the rotation is hard sometimes. You make it easier.

  14. Jeebz
    October 3, 2013

    I think this is a load of shit to be honest,not having a go at you but Ive tested my own dps and overall damage done multiple times and I was doing way more dps and damage stacking haste than what I do with crit.

    Im sticking with haste.

  15. Alek
    January 2, 2014

    Hi! Im new to the death knight world, and I wondered if someone could please help me make some room on my action bar?! What I mean by that is that I’m overwhelmed with all the spells we have, and wondered what I actually use? I’m frost ATM.

    Ty very much!

  16. Patsy
    February 27, 2014

    Hello! I am also new to the frost death knight, and I need help with the action bars. I am also overwhelmed by all the spells and have tried icyveins, all the more confusing to me. I would be so appreciative if someone could help me figure out what spells to use! I love WOW but it’s hard for me to understand when Frost Strike is mentioned at least 2-3 times in the same bar. Please!! Please!!
    I am Frost and level 87 almost 88.
    Thank you very much!! I’ll be watching my email!!!

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