34 responses

  1. Tesh
    November 3, 2011

    I’m having a hard time seeing TB as a target. If the Alliance is paying attention at all, the Tauren aren’t a threat, either philosophically or militarily. They are a dying people, Cataclysm tells us.

    …though that makes them easier to polish off, perhaps.

    Still, what I’d *really* like to see is a third playable faction introducing instability. I know, I know, dream on, but really, two faction slips too easily into “tit for tat” silly revenge stories. Three party warfare introduces more chances for miscommunication and mischief. I’m still a bit disappointed that WoW didn’t pick up on *four* faction warfare like they did with WarCraft 3.

  2. The Renaissance Man
    November 3, 2011

    I actually wrote a blog post on this topic last week that sums up my thoughts on this move.


    It’s my belief that the decision to use Theramore’s destruction as a plot device is a sign that Blizzard is losing control of their narrative.

    I find it extremely unlikely that Thunder Bluff would be destroyed. One of the primary motivators for a lot of the terrain shifts in Cataclysm was evening out the choices of leveling zones between the Alliance and the Horde. Destroying a Capital City would leave a huge imbalance, one that they’ve been working hard to correct.

    My greatest fear is that this storyline’s going to end with the Alliance never actually making any significant victories against a Horde which eventually collapses under internal tensions brought about by Thrall’s return. Being bailed out by Green Jesus would pretty much be the final nail in the coffin of the alliance’s tenure as an interesting faction. Blizzard really needs to make them stand on their own here.

  3. Paul
    November 3, 2011

    If they have the horde barbecue some of the devs in effigy, maybe the players would be a bit more enthusiastic.

  4. K.
    November 4, 2011

    I still say Varian is going to intentionally withhold/delay aid & info to Theramore because he WANTS full-blown war to happen. This is his “Wag the Worgen” moment to finally sway Jaina to his jingoism and he sees Theramore as a necessary sacrifice.

  5. Kierbuu
    November 4, 2011

    I don’t know. Going after TB and Baine right after killing off Cairne and destroying Camp T last expansion? That only makes sense if Blizzard is trying to get most of their Tauren players to quit the game or reroll Pandaren.

  6. Nina
    November 4, 2011

    I just had a thought. One of the disparities that gets Alliance folks upset is that the trolls regained their islands during the leadup to Cataclysm, but Gnomeregan is still an irradiated wasteland. Theramore’s forces still come ashore in Southern Durotar, the Northwatch Keep quests. We have an emotional attachment to those islands now; we liberated them ourselves.

    So what if the Kul Tiras forces staged an attack on the troll starting zone? That would ramp up the emotions to a fever pitch, and would send every Hordie off to Theramore, baying for blood.

    It would be a damned shame to lose them, because the troll starting area is really well done (Zuni, nooooooo!). But in the interest of the greater story, it would change things up quite heavily.

  7. Elkagorasa
    November 4, 2011

    Instead of TB, I would like to see the Alliance reclaim Lordaeron. Lady Sylvanas has been going a bit rogue lately, building up her armies of scourge (using Lich tech).

  8. Hugh Hancock
    November 4, 2011

    @Nina – I love that idea, yeah. The only problem I can see with it is that Blizz only just revamped the Troll area and might not be up for destroying it again so soon. But the “they attacked the weak!” call is a powerful one.

    Thunder Bluff: I agree, I can’t see Blizzard allowing TB to be outright destroyed. (I think I rather misspoke on that subject). However, I can see them allowing it to be badly damaged, key figures killed, and so on – basically getting right what they got wrong with Stormwind.

    @Kierbuu – I see your point. Blizzard might have to give something back to the Tauren, and soon – but practically, most Tauren players spend their time in Ogrimmar too. Provided Blizzard noted and realised in their story that the Tauren have indeed had a rough time of it, and had NPCs react appropriately, I think the repeated battering might even strengthen the Tauren experience – particularly if they continue to be peacemakers.

  9. K.
    November 4, 2011

    Here’s a thought…what if the Alliance goes after Tranquillen in response?

    I know what you’re thinking. No one cares about the Ghostlands, no one GOES to the Ghostlands anymore. But play it out like this — this part of the expansion, heroes both Horde & Alliance have been asked to fight in ZA by Vol’jin. It’s not far-fetched to then think that the Alliance is now aware of the tension between Vol’jin & Garrosh…not to mention the tension between Garrosh & Sylvannas.

    And the rumours that she’s using Val’kyr to replenish her Forsaken.

    But why risk a frontal assault on Undercity when it’d be easier to get in through the back door — in Silvermoon? There’s already Night Elf spies in Ghostlands probably passing on information to the Alliance about how sparsely guarded Silvermoon is these days. You cut down Silvermoon, you take out Sylvannas’ only major ally in the Eastern Kingdoms AND you control that nice little teleportation orb to UC’s front door.

    But in order to do that, the Alliance need to take out Tranquillen first.

  10. Horde4Life
    November 6, 2011

    Yo!!! Its so blatantly obvious!!! Torujo!!! That burned for no real reason, and the south part of one of the SUPER MOST LOVED ZONES FOR HORDE EVER (Barrens) was torn apart, sacked, and It got WAY! too green… Everything in the Barrens is in shambles right now, wouldn’t it be so logical for Garrosh to be like “Yo man, we aint getting enough water from TB water wells here, and we also aint gettin enough trade from Ratchet (the quill boars)! We need to fix dis shizzz!!! *in whispers* and we might as well get revenge on the A($$)llies at the same time…” so he masses up his void rays… err… I mean army and sends them on a ROFL STOMP rampage down the path from Org to the North Barrens to the South Barrens, building (physical) bridges yet burning some other (metaphorical) ones on the way!!! :) FOR SCIENCE!!!… ERR… I MEAN FOR LOGIC!!!… ERR o.O I MEAN THE HORDE!!! *in whispers* “Thats it!”

  11. Boom’jin
    November 6, 2011

    Its so obvious! Think about it, Camp-T was already sacked… ton of innocents dead and/ or misplaced… the barrens completely ravaged by quill boars, alliance, centaur, cataclysm effects, and worst of all… SO MUCH GREEN!!! GAH!!! Garrosh knows that the Orcs and Tauren are up in arms about this and he can use it to gain a political advantage + feed his war-lust!

    Also why does everyone hate Garrosh so much? If you read the lore (or listen to the Orc opening for Cata.) the Orcs all have a big .>…<.<) to get revenge on the rapists of Torajo…

    Now from a player stand point… to get real life Hordies out for blood… hmmm… they could just let those siege tonks or what ever their called that are sitting in that station right out side the dreaded "GREEN ZONE" (the overgrowth) to go over to the Tauren refuge camp and blast more innocents to shizzz, go over to Hunter's Hill (which at the time will be helping a force from Stonetalon kill the alli base down below it… or not… one can dream tho), and perhaps have some North Watch guys sneak out and do the unthinkable… KILL MANKRIK!!! I would skip school, and play WoW off my laptop all day every day trying to burn SW, IF and the biga$$ tree (no one cares about the broken spaceship!) if they killed Mankrik… so would the YouTuber WoWCrendor… but any ways…

    Horde is already ripe for angering… their miffed but not quite "lets go burn Theramore lol" lvl yet. there are many many options for Bliz to take, I just hope they pick the right one… or at least not a bad one…
    (P.S. if Bain backs up an assult Vol'jin might just go for it… peer pressure and all)

  12. Hugh Hancock
    November 7, 2011

    @K. – Interesting idea! My one question – does the Horde playerbase actually have enough attachment to Tranquillen to care?

    I’m honestly not sure. I have fond memories of the place, but I know opinions of the Blood Elf starting zone vary widely.

    @Boom’jin – Hmm, interesting idea. I’m not sure if you were joking or not, but actually, if the Alliance took out a bunch of well-loved but not plot-important NPCs like Mankrik, provided Blizzard handled it in the right way, I can see that getting the Horde riled up, indeed!

  13. K.
    November 7, 2011

    @Hugh — I figure perceived player apathy could be the perfect meta-reason WHY to attack Tranquillen in response, since the Alliance could think Garrosh doesn’t think it worthy of any attention and would be easy pickings on the way to SMC. But then you have the one-two punch of Sylvannas & Lore’themar (he gets to do something finally!) pressuring the Warchief about how committed he actually is to “Horde unity” (“You’ll avenge Taurajo but not us?! Tranquillen was just as innocent as them!”).

  14. Trev
    November 29, 2011

    The razing might just lead to a possible quest line to restore the port town through a series of phasing that adds significant storyline and feelings of ‘I’m Alliance, I’m doing something with impact!’ that has been sorely missing. With that possibility you get your flamings of war with a series of loss while at the same time keeping that flame of World PvP strong if not strengthening it. It might come at a Garrosh blunder or a foolish attack by Jaina’s brother on Crossroads or Ogrimmar to get the Horde into the fight…if memory serves Crossroads is rather beloved by the Horde as much as they come to defend it…or did in the past.

  15. Hugh Hancock
    November 30, 2011

    @Trev – Ooh, that’s a nice idea. I love the thought of a “rebuilding” storyline – and it’d get the Alliance’s blood up nicely too. Here’s hoping.

    For even more bonus points – could the rebuilding be server-wide, a la Isle of Quel’danas?

  16. Philip
    December 4, 2011

    I’ve read a lot about Mankrik, Baine and Vol’jin getting involved here, what about Saurfang?
    His appearance in ICC after the death of his son made sad pandas out of both Horde & Alliance players, he’s the brother of Broxigar (damn you Blizzard for not putting him in the WoE dungeon!) and a friend of Garrosh’s father, also having drunk Mannoroth’s blood.
    He also seems to have the same status as the Tauren in the way of being cautious and peaceful if it’s possible and is (I guess) liked by both Alliance & Horde.
    This would definitely prevent yet another blow to the Tauren and instead generate some more focus toward the orcs & Orgrimmar (Orgrimmar is pretty reachable by sea, making the earlier mentioned Kul Tiras involvement somewhat more likely) instead of Thunder Bluff.

  17. Boom’jin
    December 18, 2011

    @Hugh Hancock – … You sort of got what I was saying right… I was trying to say, the alliance seems to be more cold <3-ed, and well… more like the Demon Blood Crazed Orcs that their fathers, and Grand Fathers fought! In all truth the Alliance ARE the evil faction… look at the "Burial Rights" quest in Camp-T… every one there who is dead was not a real military threat. So… I think were pissed off enough as is 😀

  18. Nuadha
    January 11, 2012

    I see the alliance taking back Stromgarde in response, I know that may seem like wtf? but hey remember this was the capitol of the Arathor empire of which Stormwind was a part of. It re establishes a foothold in Arathi, positions the alliance to better lay siege to Undercity and march into Gilneas. How is it related to Theramore? it isnt really, but if one is going to wage war over seas its best to strengthen what you have in the eastern kingdoms and grow your forces where you already have a strong presence before setting sail across Azeroth JMO

  19. Deltaman
    January 16, 2012

    Shit even if the Blood elves will return to the alliance and the forsaken be crushed to be returned to human form. the War will still be tied Alliance lose every battle I think the only one they won was the Shatterspear Vale since Swamp of sorrows campaign is still foggy.

  20. Nonesense
    January 20, 2012

    I say theramore will simply be another PvP Area called ruins of theramore..

  21. Vic Van Meter
    January 23, 2012

    Blizzard hasn’t learned anything from the loss of about a million subscribers since Cataclysm. When you’re seeing problems in your basement, you check the foundation. If they should have learned anything at all, the fact that they’re going to level Theramore proves they didn’t learn a thing.

    I’ve probably been one of the few people who uses Theramore quite a bit. I level a lot of low-level characters and having an Alliance hub with my class and profession trainers in lower Kalimdor meant not having to fly all the way to Darnassus.

    All this will do, in the long term, is reinforce the major cities as hubs. Making sure you can do nearly everything without leaving the comfort of home is why world PVP is basically dead, few are taking the time to explore all the new content, and the game has lost much of its epic feel. By instituting LFG, remote BG entering, and other time saving devices, Blizzard has effectively turned WoW into Phantasy Star. Queue up, mess around until the queue pops up, do the level, requeue, rinse and repeat.

    If their major problem is that the rest of the world lacks meaning and everyone is actually getting bored of sitting in cities or visiting the same old daily hubs, precisely what is accomplished by destroying one of the high-potential non-major hubs? That’s basically blowing up a potential answer to your major weakness and in turn reinforcing the weakness.

    It’s not going to make us all rabidly anti-[insert enemy faction] for the obvious reason above. The Horde isn’t destroying Theramore. The developers are. While blowing up Theramore is unlikely to draw players back into Warcraft, it’s very likely to be the final straw for current players. This is, unquestionably, a horrible mistake on Blizzard’s part.

  22. teraurel
    January 24, 2012

    Where did you learn about this? Email me. I think your pretty much right their giving into the “noob” players and the “lazy”, the game has gotten lax and in many ways boring I left for about 5 months to come back with DS out prior to that FL just came out and already nobody is out in Hyjal doing dailies anymore so that was about a waste of time. New things shouldnt be insitituted so quickly in my opinion. I miss kara….

  23. rob
    March 2, 2012

    Apparantly the author didnt read cataclysm and the buddy buddy relationship Baine, Anduin, and Jaina created. TB will never happen.

  24. tzarius78
    April 17, 2012

    I would like to see where Jana brings Thrall back and Garrosh attacks him while he is in Theramore. Jana dies in Thralls arms and he goes nuts and kills Garrosh.

  25. Barstok
    July 10, 2012

    High time we took back Lorderon!

  26. Thymestalker
    August 3, 2012

    Might I suggest a For The Horde AND Alliance to end the life of Garrosh Hellscream? And so long as you’re sacking cities, how about the Exodar? On all the servers I’ve been on, hardly anyone ever goes there. And how about adding gnome druids and tauren rogues

  27. Anon
    August 4, 2012

    What if… Anduin is visiting Jaina when Garrosh arranges a raid on Theramore to get hold of some magical artefact in her posession. They are intercepted and a battle erupts. The artefact is stolen, the city destroyed and Garrosh’s troops take Anduin hostage. A huge naval and air battle results when news reaches Stormwind and the survivors end up in a storm which lands them in Pandaria. So now Garrosh wants his artefact and Varain his son, both are missing….they find a new Island and both sides try to claim it.

  28. Pittmonkey
    August 17, 2012

    Good theory, Jaina dies. brother seeks vengance.

  29. For the horde
    August 23, 2012

    who do horde love the most??????? its so easly obviouse Kill off thrall make the Alliance capture him in theremore and and make a rogue alliance soldier kill him with out permission. just before horde try to rescue him….. horde see him dead, lay waste to the island, jaina ports in see thrall dead and her City in ruins…. and fucks everthing up…….

    sorry for bad spellingz

  30. cindsi
    August 24, 2012

    So cut scene from LFR yesterday: Dragon aspects pat Aggra’s tummy and Thrall has a shocked look on his face….

  31. Lyco
    October 24, 2012

    Funny to read this now. The odd thing surprisingly right, the rest, well just too damn good to even compare to what Blizz actually did.

    The Theramore’s Fall is the worst scenario of all and was a terrible introduction to the new format of scenarios. The scenarios added with MoP have all been excellent while Theramore’s Fall, 90 versions and all, is just so flat and meh. They tried to appease those casual players who don’t really care for cut scenes and story but ended up going too far and pissing off those of us that actually like out gameplay with logical story. They took the easy root. Garrosh cowardly mana bombs Theramore, what a douche. The alliance replies with…what exactly?

    Oh and I noticed how you theorized that someone important could be taken out during Theramore’s attack, someone that would enrage Jaina. Well it wasn’t her brother like you mentioned but Rhonin, so it had the same effect. I don’t believe it made it into the game but I know in the novel Jaina went on a vegeful trip to Org before being swayed.

    My only hope with Garrosh’s storyline is they don’t go the whole lazy hog and have it turn out to be some sort of corruption or mind control. Considering the meh way they’ve already been setting him up for a smack down can we please just have it turn out that he’s an idiot. And NOT old gods or Sha or one of the other bad things. We’ve had enough of that. Two of Warcraft’s biggest characters (Deathwing and Ol’ Sargy) were corrupted in some way.

    And speaking of Sargy, anyone seen the Black Prince story line 😛

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