19 responses

  1. jacob
    July 3, 2011

    while dual weilding in frost, am i using unholy presence? if so why put points into imp frost presence?

    • Donnie
      March 21, 2012

      Yes, you will be dpsing in unholy presence. You want to put points into improved frost presence for the rune regeneration you retain while in unholy.

  2. Hugh Hancock
    July 3, 2011

    Yes, you are in Unholy as Frost spec except in very specific circumstances – see above.

    Why Imp. Frost Spec? Because it also improves Unholy presence :)

  3. Faspitch
    August 24, 2011

    not only that, but if you’re spec’d in imp FP you’ll regen RP faster and yes it improves your unholy presence@jacob

  4. Bjart
    October 29, 2011

    I keep doing more dps in Frost then unholy on dummy, and all other frost dk’s in unholy presence i meet, even though they are better geared 😡

  5. Nox
    November 21, 2011

    How haste need it? I have reforge all on haste after cap Expertise and Hit, mastery for Haste… i don’t think is a good choise.

  6. Hugh Hancock
    November 21, 2011

    @Nox – Theorycraft says that Haste is – narrowly, in most cases – preferable to Mastery for Frost DKs. Quoting EJ:

    “More haste means more Killing Machine procs and Runic Power gains from Might of the Frozen Wastes for 2H. “

  7. Rades
    November 29, 2011

    Nice summary, Hugh. For DW spec, if you’re not taking Endless Winter, I’d put those 2 points into Icy Reach instead – being able to Howling Blast targets a bit faster, or from farther back, is very useful. It lets us fill a quasi semi-ranged role on certain fights, and gets us back into the action faster on fights where we have to break off from the boss to go do other things for a while.

  8. Håvard
    December 3, 2011

    @Bjart
    me to mate… using unholy prec is bs. Frost prec does better overall dps in all occasions without short nuke fights

  9. jess
    December 31, 2011

    i use frost pres on my dw frost dk. this dk is my alt while my main is an arc mage and in my main raid group we have 2 dw frost dks who both use unholy pres. one of them does amazing and he other pulls alot less than my alt dk. i think which pres u use depends alot on where ur haste/mastery are at. you need to figure out which one works for you with ur statz to max ur dps

  10. Hugh Hancock
    January 3, 2012

    @jess – It’s certainly possible to do decent DPS in Frost Presence. However, to quote the EJ guide, “a mastery heavy Frost Presence build is still a viable option for DW but is behind Unholy Presence.”

    If you have solid figures to prove otherwise, I’d recommend posting on EJ about them – if the EJ theorycrafters accept your logic, I’ll be happy to change the guide subsequently!

  11. galapogosian
    February 25, 2012

    Why Glyph of Dark Succor if you mention it nowhere in our priority lists?

    • Hugh Hancock
      February 27, 2012

      Mostly for two reasons: 1) It can add a bit of survivability (and you should definitely be popping Death Strike if you’re in danger of dying), and 2) The choices for Frost Major Glyph are, shall we say, not overwhelmingly awesome.

  12. Jack
    February 28, 2012

    re frost dps being superior in unholy pres—blame blizzard for obfuscating what could and should be an elegant , straight-up deal—
    but, this is their modus operandi—they paint themselves into illogical corners, then warp rationality to stumble out…alas they leave too many chaotic footprints across the floor and thus are forced to repaint and repaint and repaint, ad infinitum…
    too much rockin’ the ganga , most likely.

  13. Ronel
    April 10, 2012

    The talent builds doesn’t appear, so doesn’t have the right links? :)

  14. Frank
    August 13, 2012

    Love the guides!
    Are you going to make any for MoP?

    • Hugh Hancock
      August 14, 2012

      Yep, look for them in the week of release for both Patch 5.0 and MoP!

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